From what I've seen and heard, at least from my Network, Amway spends alot of time and money on motivational talks compared to sales lessons...

Originally posted by simple79:

To " show_me"

I am a former syn team. 

I join the MLM due to introduce by a  friend.

i found the group is brain washing all the people who join.

"You will know when you go to their semier at JB or KL"

Anyway i didn't like the way they sell their product.

The team used heart tatices to attack you. Very cunning team.

You can find more information on the follow blog by someone.

Hope your friend make it in time to quit this MLM cheater

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Robert Kyosaki and Donald Trump say Network Market works yet this nameless guy say Network Marketing is illegal...

who are you going to believe...?

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Fine lah, you guys win... i'm tired of debating... surrender...

Final verdict.. Publisher has no liabilities to defamation...

Originally posted by laurence82:

you missed the point entirely

does the forum owners knows how to discern fact from myth? you said there are many avenues to prove a claim, pray what are they?

 

 

A court statement... now your turn... if a court statement states that this is defamatory, then...

Originally posted by laurence82:

thats not a key point

how will owner discern which party is telling the truth?

 

That's besides the point, there are many avenues to present whether a claim is fact or false... but the main question is does the owner of the forum hold no responsibility to knowingly allow defamatory posts to exist?

Originally posted by laurence82:

this is easy enough

owner is not in a position to discern the truth from false news

what if you are falsifying statements against the user, and removal of these posts result in the said user suing sgforums for pyschological trauma, attack on his character etc

who pay? you pay? you will hold this responsibility?

The key point in the arguement is if the Owner knows as a fact that the claim is false and chose to allow the post to exist...

Originally posted by laurence82:

i am saying with conviction that neither sgforums nor user will be sued

there is no strong case for defamation, 'plaintiff' is unable to prove loss, and with certainty 'plaintiff' is unable to afford legal representation

it is unprofessional to throw up legal terms just to coerce people who do not agree with you

Again the arguement here is what are the owner's responsibility for knowingly allow defamation to continue in their publication...

It not a matter of how big or small the case is... its not about going to court or not... its about does the law allow the owner to knowingly let defamation to continue on their publication and hold no responsibility...

this little debate with me and eagle is to find knowledge and the truth, not to sue anybody...

Originally posted by elementalangel:

ai yo... the mohamedF is so damn lame

people post racism comments on blogs.. sg govt got sue blogspot.com meh? no. they go straight to the user..

yea... but blogspot was told to remove those comments right... so the arguement here is what are the owner's liability for knowingly allow defamation to be made on their publication...

Originally posted by eagle:

So back to the question which you keep avoiding.

Is sgforums responsible a not for such a post?

 

It's extremely easy to cover one's tracks, start an account and accuse, defame you, in sgforums. So if you want to take legal action, are you going to sue sgforums?

 

Note: I'm giving you the case where the IP cannot be traced. I would also like to see pacer going all the way to UK to take legal action there to get the IP address, then come back to Singapore and take legal action to get the owner of the IP address from the local service provider.

 

And hor...

1) The forum is already not registered in Singapore. Just because it is named sgforums doesn't mean it is registered here.

2) It is not a broadcasting station. There's no licence, not is it authorised by law to broadcast anything. A forum is a place for chit chats, not for broadcasting.

 

I'm really finding it hard to keep bringing you back to the point because you kept going off tangent. I shall reiterate my point:
Pacer's efforts will most likely come to naught.

I don't see any reason why you like to keep going off tangent.

 

I don't know yet because it involves United Kingdom statutes which I am not fimiliar with which I've already mentioned above...

But with that saying, I bet you too don't know whether sgforums could be held responsible... unless you know UK's statutes...

My previous statements were based by Singapore's statutes, so its nulled about sgforums but remains for singapore based forums...

So conclusion, I can't say for now whether sforums can be held responsible, but unless you can state whether sgforums can't be held responsible either (since its based in UK, UK laws applies), the arguement is on hold for now...

Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:

When the hell did PAP regime grant permit for opposition to protest?

 

I don't know, and I don't care... if people can any how make an event out of the blue, Singapore will be a chaotic country... go ask the relavant authorities for other avenues of expression other than speaker's corner... if there is no other, then stick to speaker's corner...

Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:

5 or more is illegal gathering?

5 or more WITH ILLEGAL INTENTION is illegal gathering... or else every school function is illegal gathering...

Penal code chapter 224 section 141

Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:

Yes, that is the correct  way.

Use unjust laws to curb civil liberties is also wrong.

I don't know much about the details of the case, but I don't find it unjust at all...

If what you said the truth, its the truth, no one can argue with that... But if what you say is a lie, you have to take responsibility for what you said...That could be more just than that?

If the defendent can't argue his case that he speaks the truth, what does that say about him....?

Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:

That is legal?

but remember, freedom of expression is in no way a shield to defamation...

Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:

So if we want to make a protest saying court is kangaroo court controlled by PAP regime, how can we legally do that?

For one thing, YOU DON'T DO THAT IN THE PRESENCE OF THE COURT DURING A LEGAL PROCEEDING... In any country in the world, such action is a contempt of court...

It is common knowledge around the world, you don't disrespect the court during the legal proceeding...

You want to argue that the court system is flawed, be my guest but don't do that during a legal proceeding...

Out side the court, this include the vicinity of the court house, you can wear what ever T-shirt you want, but remember, freedom of expression is in no way a shield to defamation...

Originally posted by skythewood:

imagine a soccer game. one guy foul another guy, there is dispute, and the referee rules to his best understanding. one of the player buai song and insult the referee, the ref have to send him off. if he do nothing, how he control the game? people won't respect him anymore, the game become chaos, and people will always remember this ref as a bad referee..

This is the exact reason for the Contempt rule... Many of you are see only a kid wearing a T-Shirt and getting jailed... Don't get stuck in this tunnel vision...

The court is a place of Law and Order... proceeding and judgement are made there and lives are changed... as such, such place must be respected... If you don't respect the court, you basiclly saying you don't respect the Law...

This is not about a T-Shirt, its about contempt in court...

Originally posted by maurizio13:

 

This is ridiculous.

Singaporeans don't even have the right to wear t-shirts they like.

 

 

try imagine walking into the supreme court wearing a T-Shirt saying "Fuck you supreme court"...

Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:

i know they had it coming but i still feel its too heavy handed, especially for the kid in ns, his parents themselves were against his actions but couldn't stop him.

They're lucky to get 7 to 15 days when they could have gotten 6 month max...

Opps... wrong act...

it should be Supreme Court of Judicature Act Chapter 322 section 7

Contempt
(1) The High Court and the Court of Appeal shall have power to punish for contempt of court.

(2) Wilful disposal by a garnishee, otherwise than in accordance with law or by leave of the court, of any property attached in his hands or under his control by a notice of court, shall be deemed to be contempt. (3) Wilful disobedience by a corporation to any order punishable by attachment may be punished by attachment of the directors or other officers of the corporation who are responsible for, or are knowingly a party to, such wilful disobedience.

Subordinate Courts Act Chapter 321 Section 8

1) The subordinate courts shall have power to punish for contempt of court where the contempt is committed —

(a) in the face of the court; or(b) in connection with any proceedings in the subordinate courts.

(2) Where contempt of court is committed in the circumstances mentioned in subsection (1), the court may impose imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or a fine not exceeding $2,000 or both.

(3) The court may discharge the offender or remit the punishment if the court thinks it just to do so.

(4) In any case where the contempt is punishable as an offence under section 175, 178, 179, 180 or 228 of the Penal Code (Cap. 224), the court may, in lieu of punishing the offender for contempt, refer the matter to the Attorney-General with a view to instituting criminal proceedings against the offender.

They had it comming...

This is giving me a headache coz it involves United Kingdom statutes which I'm not fimiliar with...

Defemation act chapter 31

something from the act:

(2) For this purpose “author”, “editor” and “publisher” have the following meanings, which are further explained in subsection (3)—

but basicly, we have established that (1) in Singapore's case that the author is responsible for his words even if he hides behind a nick name... its just a matter of finding him

(2) as long as the forum is regestered in Singapore, it is a broadcasting station...

(3) sgforums... requires knowledge in United Kingdom Defemation act...

Get back to you later...

Now trying to understand Defemation Act United Kingdom 1996 Chapter 31 since sgf in under UK law...

But your point prove one thing... STOMP does fall under broadcasting station...

Originally posted by eagle:

And so now, a casual forumer has become an author?

Yes... words don't appear out of thin air... someone must write, speak or communicate it... you are the author of your publication on sgf in this case...

Originally posted by eagle:

Do I need to reiterate to you it has been defined in the legal context earlier?

If you're refering to limitation of liability, they are not liable for the initial defemation made... but by refusing to do anything is abetting...

Penal code section 108 states "A person abets an offence who abets either the commission of an offence, or the commission of an act which would be an offence, if committed by a person capable by law of committing an offence with the same intention or knowledge as that of the abettor."

Terms and condition vs Penal code and defemation act...

Originally posted by eagle:

 

Posts in a forum by a virtual nick is not a publication. Simple as that.

Posting in a blog is a sort of publication. Simple as well.

And in the case of chain e-mails, yahoo or hotmail does not guarantees the accuracies of the emails as well; they do not need to take responsibilities for whatever their users sent out. It's a duh. The same case for forums as well.

 

you can't look at it in an english perspective... you must look at it as a legal perspective... Chapter 75 Defemation act section 3 clearly states any form of communication is publication by an author... and an author doesn't only mean some who writes... it is the person who communicate...